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kurapeca 09-12-2011 01:51 AM

Is Porn Free?
 
too much free porn on the net today

faxxaff 09-14-2011 06:41 AM

That's the way porn industry wanted to go. Advertise for free by giving away lots of samples, more and more. It has worked for some time, but it is firing back, now.

KBHMN 09-14-2011 06:59 PM

Back when the internet was new for me and I discovered it was full of naked women, I thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some nights I happened to not be with the little lady of the period, my fantasies could travel the world. Liking a few specific models I found, I started targeting my searches (niche targeting) to find what little nuggets of gold I could find of them for free on TGP's. Then after deciding what I could find for free on TGP's was going to be pretty small bits and wanting the whole show, I would throw down the money and join.

Fast forward 20 years and what ever particular niche you happen to lean towards, puretna.com had it all... and all for free. The business was ruined from there on out.

Torrents were great in the beginning for potential buyers because a potential customer could "sample" from different sites. Torrents took forever on a DSL modem, but when you finally got it and it was good... you became familiar with the branding and were inclined to make a purchase so you could have it all.

Higher speed connections at affordable prices and the entire net becoming over saturated with torrents for complete photo sets and videos... then site-rip sites uploading to file lockers have killed it. The outlaw content pirate scene has utterly crucified not only the adult business, but mainstream as well is suffering massive losses.

There is a need for drastic change in law and the law needs to be globally applied. Unfortunately as simple as saying, "Ok, now there is a new law that says that if the site is PROVEN to be enganged in piracy, it gets its plug pulled..." the law just would not work unless EVERYONE along the chain is willing to enforce it.

But the reality of it is this... no one can agree on a fucking thing to get a fucking thing done. Countries refuse to cooperate... Hosts refuse to cooperate... ISP's refuse to cooperate. Even the god damned fucking credit card companies are refusing to cooperate. Every link along the way is corrupt.

So the only way to solve the problem and return profitability to online content is for a company to come along with digital fingerprinting technology that works in a bullet proof manner? Software built in that prevents encryption of the content by method of automatic self destruction to the actual file should an attempt at encryption be made to the content? (is that possible?) ...and has an interface that crawls every inch of the web finding and flagging license-abused illegal content? With copy right protection laws in place that actually both work and are observed and followed by everyone along the chain from point (A) to point (B)?

Even making new laws that say; "It is now against the law to "backup" licensed content online... (which I am POSITIVE would utterly detroy file lockers in one fail swoop) ...if you lose your drive, tough shit so buy another drive for all your legally purchased licensed content backup needs and put it in your house because it has no place being backed up on the internet..." Really wont get us anywhere. Encryption obliterates a digital fingerprint in its encrypted state... Its a really tough problem to solve.

What the heck happened to media players that must connect and verify license for the content online before the media player would play it anyway? That looked promising. Locking down all content and making it so it will simply never play in any media player unless a license key is verified by the originating source (site)? That sure as hell would help boost rebills if everyone lost the ability to play it unless they could verify their machine was indeed the machine they used to purchase the content with, and the purchaser is still current as a member.

Remember DVD copy-protection? That lasted a whole 5 minutes.

For now, I blame the global ISP rackets... they could easily break chains of connections and do something to help... but they don't give a flying fuck.

Google has MORE than enough money and resources to create a solution to stamping out piracy... but I don't think they give a flying fuck either. Bill Gates... well let's be realistic here... he does have the money... but still to this day can't even make a fucking OS that works... so forget that.

The US put laws forth that says that ISP's are responsible for what goes over their networks regarding child porn, and they damn well need to be on top of it or face huge penalties... and clearly it has made a huge difference. You just don't hear about law enforcement nailing huge rackets of pro level studios that are raking in money hand over fist anymore. They have had their advertising channels squeezed out of existence. ISP's again need to step up and act and be held accountable for what goes over their networks regarding copy right protected content. Same thing goes for ALL the credit card companies. Their greed gets in the way though... Think about how many billions of dollars they would lose if they acted on piracy concerns and slammed the door shut on sites that have had too many complaints. ALL these file lockers are cashing in on pirated content... I read one person say on lukeford.com, that rapidshare is doing 80 million per month (I don't know how valid that is so please don't quote me) ...Visa, Mastercard, AMEX, Paypal... they all caste a blind eye and say it's not their job.

Until a real working solution is presented, then it seems like a waiting game for all. The huge studios with massive distribution channels lose a bit of money online, and tough it out until a solution is achieved. The small guys no one cares about.

What's funny is the pro-file-sharing population has no idea what this could mean to culture and the evolution it can and will have on the arts. If file sharing wipes out all the little houses, then the opportunity to choose an alternative obscure brand that hits it right on the head for a smaller group of people will be lost. Then content will be defined as watching/listening to what only the biggest studios who survive will give you, and real choice will go out the window.

One example... Peter Jackson with "Meet The Feebles". When he released that, it became a cult classic through a LOT of time and a LOT of word-of-mouth. He made sales and was able to "keep at it" to bigger and better all the way up to "Lord of the Rings". I wonder what would have been different if Mr. Jackson made nothing but debt from all his smaller films like "Meet the Feebles" because all these spoiled shit stain file sharing fucks in the world felt they were entitled to everything for free just because technology makes it possible to steal everything that is digitized and he never sold even one DVD of it?

Its not that is is a bad time to be in porn... its a bad time to be in any form of digitized product marketing, mainstream included.

DWB 09-16-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 163807)
That's the way porn industry wanted to go. Advertise for free by giving away lots of samples, more and more. It has worked for some time, but it is firing back, now.

+1

You'd be hard pressed to find another industry that planned and executed it's own demise as well as the porn industry has.

shunga 09-18-2011 01:59 AM

The easiest way to generate traffic is to give away more and more explicit content. Tubes are just the natural progression. But as you give more away for free, the harder it becomes to sell. It's been a self maintaining cycle of destruction that still continues.

faxxaff 09-20-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shunga (Post 163834)
The easiest way to generate traffic is to give away more and more explicit content. Tubes are just the natural progression. But as you give more away for free, the harder it becomes to sell. It's been a self maintaining cycle of destruction that still continues.

At the moment when content production and marketing/side admin went different directions this process accelerated imho. Instead of running their own sites, content producers shot for 1k or 2k salary a day 15 years ago because it was easy work. Then they would resell their content after a couple of months for 100 bucks and after another 6 months for 2 bucks a set without caring at all about the consequences. .... They never did enforce their copyrights when content was stolen by GF sites or posted on boards. I think bulk content producers carry a big responsibility in this problem.

If you have content that is worth 1k$, why sell it for 2 bucks to some garbage programs? You can't blame others who think that 2 bucks less 2 is ZERO. Really, not a big difference.

shunga 09-22-2011 02:08 AM

I would say a large part of the problem was the bidding war between sponsors for affiliates. Greater percentages, more content, more hardcore, longer video clips, pop shots, etc., etc.

faxxaff 09-22-2011 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shunga (Post 163883)
I would say a large part of the problem was the bidding war between sponsors for affiliates. Greater percentages, more content, more hardcore, longer video clips, pop shots, etc., etc.

Yes, exactly. But I think that was just the case because those who gave away content for free promotion had bought it as bargain bulk content. Hard to say who was first: egg or chicken LOL.

Programs who bought bulk content had no interest in protecting as it was not theirs. Bulk producers had no resources to do so. On the other hand, sites who had their own custom content always sought to go after thieves. Just my 2 cents.

tialing 09-23-2011 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kurapeca (Post 163771)
too much free porn on the net today


Do you know any other business that succeeds when everything is free ??? I sure don't ???

prageyz 09-26-2011 06:00 AM

Can anyone tell how much of all Internet traffic is pornography?


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