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Tribe
02-03-2006, 08:04 AM
my wordpress blog is unicode utf-8. The majority of it is in english, but portions are hiragana, kanji, katakana & romaji and these translators are just completely fucking everything up & it's pissing me off. It completely fucks up the page layout & image positions, because the translator changes the encoding to shift jis, or whatever, depending on the language being translated into. Then it takes all the japanese text & fucks that up into numbers & ??????s. I put a frame buster to bust the page out of the translators, but the pages still get translated & when a link is clicked, the page sent to is now also translated, & it also fucks up ref links, making many of them 404.

any suggestions or idea's? How do I stop this?

Tribe
02-03-2006, 08:14 AM
you know what. I think I need to uninstall wordpress & use the older version. This is only happening on one out of 13 blogs. This one is wp 2.0, the others are 1.5 & when I change encoding in browser, everything looks fine on all the others. Or, it could be the theme? fucking have to start over. If I ftp all the wp files from 1.5, this should overwrite the 2.0 files, would all my posts & theme changes, etc, still be there afterwards?

Doug E
02-03-2006, 08:25 AM
Lets have an url, I wanna see the 2.0 problems.

Tribe
02-03-2006, 08:56 AM
Lets have an url, I wanna see the 2.0 problems.

sorry, I can't do that :wink:

Doug E
02-03-2006, 09:00 AM
didnt think so

Tribe
02-03-2006, 11:07 PM
well, I changed the wp theme & well, it takes care of layout issue, but the japanese text is still affected when in shift-jis as the text was not written with shift jis, seems to change the html properties of the japanese text too, as some of the tags are displayed,,

Tribe
02-04-2006, 03:28 AM
This is starting to really annoy the shit out of me.
I posted this on several boards, one of them a coders & developers board, & not a single person knows how to control this situation. It's getting to the point of pissing me off. what is the point of making a damn site or page if encoding options are going to fuck up & undo what I am trying to accomplish. This is bugging me so bad I'm ready to pick up my monitor & toss it out the 95th floor fucking window.

ALOTI
02-04-2006, 03:46 AM
This is starting to really annoy the shit out of me.
I posted this on several boards, one of them a coders & developers board, & not a single person knows how to control this situation. It's getting to the point of pissing me off. what is the point of making a damn site or page if encoding options are going to fuck up & undo what I am trying to accomplish. This is bugging me so bad I'm ready to pick up my monitor & toss it out the 95th floor fucking window.

Throw it out the fucking window. If you noticed, as you are trying to enter this niche, some are willing to help. But no, you are playing secrets on your URLs. Give me a fucking break. You claim all these years in the biz, but yet no sites do you want to admit too.

What, you ashamed of them or are you a rookie trying to blow smoke up someones ass or doing child porn? Fess up and you may get answers. It won't work here. BTW, language encryption is something I do know. I have no clue where you are coming from. :shock:

ALOTI

Tribe
02-04-2006, 04:25 AM
This is starting to really annoy the shit out of me.
I posted this on several boards, one of them a coders & developers board, & not a single person knows how to control this situation. It's getting to the point of pissing me off. what is the point of making a damn site or page if encoding options are going to fuck up & undo what I am trying to accomplish. This is bugging me so bad I'm ready to pick up my monitor & toss it out the 95th floor fucking window.

Throw it out the fucking window. If you noticed, as you are trying to enter this niche, some are willing to help. But no, you are playing secrets on your URLs. Give me a fucking break. You claim all these years in the biz, but yet no sites do you want to admit too.

What, you ashamed of them or are you a rookie trying to blow smoke up someones ass or doing child porn? Fess up and you may get answers. It won't work here. BTW, language encryption is something I do know. I have no clue where you are coming from. :shock:

ALOTIactually, none of the above. I am just trying to maintain a competitive edge and anonymity.

ALOTI
02-04-2006, 05:39 AM
With that attitude you will not make it here. You have a great deal to learn about the niche. Stick to GFY if you want to play games, we don't do that here. I think you need to burst the bubble in your head of "I am cool and successful. Fuck these guys.I will do my thing and get them to help". Won't work here my new Foogie member. I am sure I am not the only one that feels this way! If you don't have a product you are proud of, what's the deal? You may not believe it, but many of us are pretty damed good at what we do.

ALOTI

Tribe
02-04-2006, 06:25 AM
With that attitude you will not make it here. You have a great deal to learn about the niche. Stick to GFY if you want to play games, we don't do that here. I think you need to burst the bubble in your head of "I am cool and successful. Fuck these guys.I will do my thing and get them to help". Won't work here my new Foogie member. I am sure I am not the only one that feels this way! If you don't have a product you are proud of, what's the deal? You may not believe it, but many of us are pretty damed good at what we do.

ALOTI

No, sorry you're taking it that way, but you're misinterpreting my motives. I am far from successful, and never stated such. GFY is the reason I decided to choose another nic, and the reason I choose to no longer post urls on boards. I know you're good at what you do, but I have my resons for not wanting to post my url(s). I am trying to accomplish something specific that very few people are actually doing. Some people ARE doing the same, but not many, and if experience taught me anything, it is, anything that is found & discovered to be profitable, the second it gets posted on gfy, it goes to complete shit. I prefer that a couple of small, little used sponsors that I am promoting remain as such. Too many times I would do ok with something, til many others start selling the same product, then it's not so great afterwards. I just want my piece of pie while I feel ahead. I have no attitude, nor do I play games or bullshit people. Games & bullshitting are the reason this question is posted here, and not on gfy. Also, I have chatted with several people that are big players in this industry, and they are all in agreement, never let the world know what you're doing until it is perfect, and then only after you reap the benefits of your labors do you share your methods. In this biz, I have come to feel that it is extremely cut throat, and due to that, I have started to become protective of what I say, and what I share. I am only trying to protect my investment, as well as my work. Work I am proud of, yes, I am, & I need to protect it.

Tribe
02-04-2006, 06:36 AM
oh, and before more people misread my posting,let me clear one thing up.

when I said This is starting to really annoy the shit out of me.


I meant the problem with changed encoding & translation messing up page layout is what is annoying the shit out of me, not anything else.

I may have not made that clear, but just so no one else misinterprets that & tries to read between the lines to create fiction.

Tribe
02-04-2006, 06:40 AM
Or I could put it this way;

I'm a hungry wolf in the forest. I find a deer.
Now, should I eat that deer, or go tell a big pack of hungry wolves who will snatch it right up from under my feet. Wind travels fast.

Tribe
02-04-2006, 07:09 AM
well, i found something, but not sure if this is it or not? I don't even know where to put this on the server or what to name it. It's written in c++

#define _CRTDBG_MAP_ALLOC
#include "stdafx.h"
#include <stdio.h>
#include <crtdbg.h>
#include "C:/ck2000/components/ChilkatLib/CkString.h"
#include "C:/ck2000/components/ChilkatLib/CkByteData.h"
#include "C:/ck2000/components/ChilkatLib/CkCharset.h"
#include "C:/ck2000/components/ChilkatLib/CkSettings.h"

int APIENTRY WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance,
HINSTANCE hPrevInstance,
LPSTR lpCmdLine,
int nCmdShow)
{
CkCharset *cc = new CkCharset;
cc->UnlockComponent("UnlockCode");

// *************************************************
// Convert from Shift-JIS to utf-8
// *************************************************

// Load the Shift-JIS sample data into memory.
CkByteData *inData = new CkByteData;
inData->loadFile("shiftJisSample.txt");

// Convert from Shift-JIS to utf-8
CkByteData *outData = new CkByteData;
cc->To_UTF_8();
cc->From_SHIFT_JIS();
cc->ConvertData(*inData,*outData);

// Save the output.
outData->saveFile("outUtf8.txt");



then again, maybe this isnt the right one???

stevebkk
02-04-2006, 10:08 AM
In this biz, I have come to feel that it is extremely cut throat, and due to that, I have started to become protective of what I say, and what I share. I am only trying to protect my investment, as well as my work. Work I am proud of, yes, I am, & I need to protect it.

If that really is the case I'm glad that this is the niche I started in, everybody I ever asked for advice or guidance on the best way to achieve something was just totally helpful...and in the end I think thats a much better way to go and works both ways..ie a few days back a productivity template Ive been working on for months finally came right and traffic on one of my sites rocketed. One of the guys with a similar sort of site asked me what Id done when he saw the traffic shoot up so I just told him how the template worked...the same guy a month or so back showed me how to do an effect in adobe for thumbnails that I've been trying to achieve for yonks,searching every message board and tutorial...turns out its a 10 second job in adobe..so it all balances up.


Or I could put it this way;

I'm a hungry wolf in the forest. I find a deer.
Now, should I eat that deer, or go tell a big pack of hungry wolves who will snatch it right up from under my feet. Wind travels fast.



That Analogy doesn't really work...as what are you doing in the pack of wolves asking them how to catch the deer if you've no intention of sharing it :P

Cheers
Steve

CrazyAL
02-04-2006, 02:45 PM
the guy blogs.... and he doesn't want to post his sites or traffic tactics... what's the big deal? I've rarely if ever seen anyone post their SE tactics open on a forum... it's one thing to share it with a friend privatly... but on a public forum? common cut the dude some slack.

:peace:

ALOTI
02-04-2006, 02:58 PM
I can understand your want of idea protection, but I find it quite offensive that you want us to give you the answers and see no return? A bit of a one sided venture. Kinda sounds like "Send money" from a college student. I for one will not bend over and lube up! :shock:

IMO you made two big mistakes here at Foogie, the first being you greeted us with guns drawn. Foogie and GFY are llke two different pubs. Here you don't need your guns. Second, by your own admission, you just came here to quite obviously garner our knowledge with what appears as no intention of giving anything back to the community.

I have been in biz management/PR for over thrity uears. If you want something out of a peer or competitor, you better be prepared to either toss out a treat or trust them. Steve made the point quite well.

ALOTI

CrazyAL
02-04-2006, 04:25 PM
I have been in biz management/PR for over thrity uears. If you want something out of a peer or competitor, you better be prepared to either toss out a treat or trust them. Steve made the point quite well.


So if someone needs help changing a flat tire he better help you move some furniture first. :tonuge:

Tribe posted a question and you basically told him to piss off and take a hike.... then you claim he has nothing to give back to the community when he's only been here for a few days... how do you know he has nothing to offer you? 30 years of marketing/PR make you psychic as well?

Tribe
02-04-2006, 06:38 PM
I can understand your want of idea protection, but I find it quite offensive that you want us to give you the answers and see no return? A bit of a one sided venture. Kinda sounds like "Send money" from a college student. I for one will not bend over and lube up! :shock: Rethink that response carefully. Fact is, you're creating fiction, because nowhere in any post I have made on this board could possibly give you any indication whatsoever what my intentions are. So, you make this up.

IMO you made two big mistakes here at Foogie, the first being you greeted us with guns drawn. Foogie and GFY are llke two different pubs. Here you don't need your guns.
what on earth are you talking about? You think only the members read the posts, lol.. yeah, ok..

Second, by your own admission, you just came here to quite obviously garner our knowledge with what appears as no intention of giving anything back to the community..
Now you're going to take this blatant fiction, & point it out. It's obvious you're making this up, as this board does not have that many posts, so it's not hard to find the very few I have made, now point out EXACTLY where I admit & state that I was going to garner knowledge & not give back to the community..

I have been in biz management/PR for over thrity uears. If you want something out of a peer or competitor, you better be prepared to either toss out a treat or trust them. Steve made the point quite well.

ALOTI
Again, I'll repeat myself, you're taking it personal. It has nothing to do with trusting you, or that person, or another individual, it's the risk in itself. it is a forum. ANYBODY, could read the board.


Lets put it this way, on gfy I made a post about having the #1 spot on google for a keyword... guess what? a week later I am checking stats, & clicked a google referer link to check my ranking. Still where it was supposed to be, but guess what was #2. Some russian theif. I checked his site, & not only did he parse my entire sites text into the bottom of his page, but the fucker stole my meta tags too.

My point, obviously I must spell it out for you, in order to prevent you from reading between the lines to create my thoughts & motives into fallous fictions, the point is, that russian thief was not a gfy member. Don't take it personal.

ALOTI
02-04-2006, 08:21 PM
Not taking it personal. But as Scuzz said in another post, you are just being secretive and that would make anyone wonder. I think someone else said something about the wolf looking to get the prey with help and keeping it to himself. So I am not the only one wondering. No offense, but if you need help, open up a bit. Be glad to help. No offense, but reread your posts. Your really came in here like gang busters.

Al I am not a pyschic, but experienced enough that if it quacks it probably is a duck.

ALOTI

Tribe
02-04-2006, 08:32 PM
Not taking it personal. But as Scuzz said in another post, you are just being secretive and that would make anyone wonder. I think someone else said something about the wolf looking to get the prey with help and keeping it to himself. So I am not the only one wondering. No offense, but if you need help, open up a bit. Be glad to help. No offense, but reread your posts. Your really came in here like gang busters.

Al I am not a pyschic, but experienced enough that if it quacks it probably is a duck.

ALOTI

I understand what you're suggestion, however, I'm not looking for prey, or any trade secrets or what have you, merely a technical or code question, nothing more. I'm not asking for assistance in how to sell, nor any marketing, nor anything else, merely some technical or coding issues. (for now.).

I mean, at least allow me the benifit of doubt til I feel more comfortable here. Another thing too, the site in question is far from complete, & often I am unsatisfied until I think it is perfect. Showing a site to surfers is one thing, showing it to webmasters & opening it up for critique is another. I understand the critique itself would likely be benificial, however, I'd prefer to iron out all the wrinkles prior to that.

ALOTI
02-04-2006, 10:39 PM
Okay, I understand the need of prefecting an idea. Go for it. Be glad to help. I really don't think anyone here will rip you off. As I said, Foogie is not GFY. Give me a shout or a PM. Maybe we can establish a working relationship. Allies always help. That's how I made it.

ALOTI

Tribe
02-04-2006, 10:55 PM
I solved my problem.. took me several hours of work to figure it out, but woohoo, I am happy. :)

ALOTI
02-04-2006, 11:13 PM
Good. Best to you. Hope you share with us to benefit the niche.

ALOTI

webgurl
02-04-2006, 11:45 PM
Hey Tribe glad you found the prob :D

Tribe
02-05-2006, 12:27 AM
Good. Best to you. Hope you share with us to benefit the niche.

ALOTI

I did share, in another post.

But, I'll say in thread too. The problem turned out that my source code had rendered japanese text in the meta tags under title, keywords & description.

although I had utf-8 set as the charset in meta, google & babelfish's translators were not reading this properly due to the rendered text which caused the script to assume shift-jis. Although it was not shift-jis itself that caused the display problem, it was the rendered text in the meta, as well as a few other spots, which in the source code once the encoding changed, so didnt the rendered text, which in turn caused html display problems.

when I took the rendered text & rewrote it to unicode hexidecimal, all the problems with the display, and translation were solved.

actually, I'm not sure if they're called hexidecimal in unicode, I think the correct terminology is NCR's