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Nick
09-15-2002, 09:30 PM
Hey googieans, I'm interested in knowing what has worked for you, and what has not, for driving traffic to your site. I have an Asian Personals site that's brand new, and a TGP. I've taken some steps, but I'm really wondering where the real good traffic comes from. Granted, the one site is new so it's just not going to have much traffic right now anyway, but the TGP doesn't do as well as it should. Those surfers I have there are pretty loyal, but I know there has got go be a more effective way of bringing them in than just the recips on my galleries, and posting on directories and search engines, etc.

Nick

walter
09-15-2002, 10:21 PM
I just took a look at your TGP and there are a couple of problems I see.

First off you’re not using a trading script (yet – I see that X3 is being installed) so its going to be tough for you to trade traffic in real time. Most TGP webmasters want to have a real time trade.

The second problem is that you have 2 entry pages. TGP surfers are notoriously lazy and if they don’t see TGP listing as soon as they hit your page they close the window that your site is in. I have tried using an entry page on my sites as have most other TGP sites but you will see very few successful TGPs using them after a few weeks. You will find that about half of your incoming traffic will disappear in your entry pages.

Now, for the traffic question. Take a look at most of the Asian sites and you’ll see a top referrer’s listing. If you see a particular site in the top 10 on most sites then its probably a good source traffic. The problem with trying to get a new site going is that the ‘top 10’ sites may not want to trade with a new site with minimal traffic. The trick (if you can call it a trick) is to start trading with the top 11 through 20 sites. These sites are usually more eager to trade with newer sites and more eager to give you a better return on the traffic that you send them.

Now for the trading itself, offer an honest trade. Don’t try to nickel and dime your trades. This is my pet peeve with traffic trading! If a trade only sends you 5 hits in an hour and you have sent them 10 don’t cut the trade down. Watch that trade, they may have had a problem. If they keep sending you less traffic hour after hour then its time to cut the trade back.

If your trade sends you traffic that is productive (clicks a lot on your site) then send them extra traffic back over and above the traffic in your normal trade. The other webmaster will see this extra traffic you are sending and will (usually) increase his output to your site. This is how a traffic trade grows.

The major thing to remember is that you have to invest something (your traffic) before you can get something (more traffic) back. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Nick
09-16-2002, 12:57 AM
Frankly, as a surfer, and a gallery poster, I pretty much think the real time traffic trade is nothing more than a TGP cheat. Nothing pisses me off more than someone putting redirects in a gallery they post to my TGP. If I don't accept this in galleries people post becasue it just pisses people off, then why should I just turn around and to the same thing to them. Hell, the guy can't even get to the gallery if he just ends up at another TGP. The other thing is, and I've asked guys and they agree, if I go to a TGP and get redirected to a different TGP, I'll assume the first guy didn't want my traffic so I just don't go there anymore. Very often a traffic trade is permenent. To me that's a problem. Besides, all the political bullshit aside, this TGP is running the free X3 script. Setting up a real time traffic trade will be a major pain in the ass, at least for now while I've got several new things going on.

Now, I've tried traffic trading, as in link trading, with several other Asian TGPs but these guys don't seem to like to return emails. It's been a while though, so I think it's probably worth another try.

The bit about the entry page is probably true, and it hasn't really made me any money either. This pretty much settles that score. I guess the bottom line is I need to take another look at the traffic trading situation, and definitely get rid of the entry page. We'll see how that goes. Thanks for the input.

Nick

CrazyAL
09-16-2002, 01:59 AM
Nick you can always interrogate your link trades in your daily listing without blind linking or skimming galleries....just put the link every few or dozen gallery listings, whatever works for you...this is what I do on TokyoPorn.com....like you I prefer not to redirect any of my galleries, I use more of a top list type thing for my link trades, works fine for me....I use to do this by hand too by checking refers until recently getting a script that does it automatically. Just another option to think about, that may help you boost your trades 8)

walter
09-16-2002, 08:12 AM
this TGP is running the free X3 script. Setting up a real time traffic trade will be a major pain in the ass, at least for now while I've got several new things going on.
No matter how you choose to run your TGP a trade script will be invaluable to you just to keep track of your traffic. If you think its going to be a pain in the ass now just wait until later rolls around and see how much of a double or even triple pain it is then.

Now, I've tried traffic trading, as in link trading, with several other Asian TGPs but these guys don't seem to like to return emails.
I didn't receive an email from you :lol: and I do answer my emails :wink: as do most webmasters on this board.

Nick
09-16-2002, 07:34 PM
Hey, did I say "googieans" instead of "foogieans" in my initial post? Yes, I think I did. I wonder if that was a typo or a freudian slip? I guess I'll never know. Anyway, the deal with the link trading has got me thinking, and obviously I have to do it. I'm in the process of hunting down the right TGPs to approach. The email thing was quite some time ago, several months at least. I'm not sure why no one answered, and I think I only really approached a few webmasters with it. I'll have to make a more conccerted effort this time. All I need to do now is find a good trade script, one that won't send me to the poor house. Nothing fancy, at this point it just needs to work. Any suggestions?

Nick

walter
09-16-2002, 08:10 PM
Does a FREE traffic script work for you?
http://www.cjultra.com/

Right now you have to install 2.0.3 and then upgrade to 2.0.4

If you want a hand email me.

Nick
09-17-2002, 01:28 AM
I actually just finished looking at that. The problem I have is that it's PHP. I have PHP on my server, but the server is NT. If I install any more PHP scripts on it my "phpmyadmin" script won't work. So far the PHP people haven't figured out that NT is not like linux/unix. You gotta do shit different if you want it to work right. I did find a perl script that I'm looking at, we'll see what happens with that.

Nick

mech
09-17-2002, 01:36 AM
...the server is NT. :shocked: Why?

LostMind
09-17-2002, 02:11 AM
ummm, yah.

Why the hell are you using NT? Are you hosting your porn sites off your office file server or something man? :P

Nick
09-17-2002, 07:28 AM
The server is NT because that's what I have. I didn't have time to go through a lot of BS when I started this. Besides, the server works. It works really great as a matter of fact. I can change, move, install, reconfigure, kill, bring back to life, juggle, shoot, or otherwise do whatever the hell I want without wading through reems of "man pages" or other idiotic documents written by developers who think that everyone else knows just as much about it as they do. My servers have been up, except for scheduled maintenance and hardware upgrades, for nearly 2 years. The only real problems I have are with the BW. It's to expensive.

Not the office guy, well kinda not. This is an office, but it's in my house. It's also a datacenter and a bunch of other stuff. I have a nice Dual CPU machine I'm bulding that will eventually be the new main webserver, and I'll probably go to some flavor of unix/linux on it as I want to use some new technology, namely PHP, and I don't think the kids at PHP/Apache will ever figure out NT. It's not complicated enough for them. One thing I will not do, at least not for an internet server, is goto Win2K or beyond. Tried that for a week on my mail server. I reverted to NT4 first chance I got. It's a piece of shit for anything other than file and print, but for that I wouldn't go with MS servers anyway.

The bottom line is, don't disparage a guy's NT server. It works really great. From what I've seen so far, unelss you're in the minority of Linux server managers, it works way better than any linux server you've ever seen, and I still haven't paid more than $3000 for it even with all the upgrades. Only a higher order unix, like HP UX or something like that is more stable, or, of course, NetWare, but I wouldn't want to build a webserver on that. The only thing about NT is this; if you're using Front Page with extensions on an IIS4 server be very careful about how you set up your security. That one could bite hard. Other than that, for a low cost, high availability, high perfomance web server, NT is as good as anything else out there.

Nick :twisted: