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webgurl
09-10-2002, 07:37 AM
After reading this article i felt so sick.
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id={599FF35C-4482-42C3-BAC0-B9BC070F70D4}
This is really harsh to say but I think its a wise desicision to Deport her ass after she serves her time and also I think she deserves atleast a 10 year sentence for her actions !!!
I think she was a naive Japananese girl who had no idea what she was doing, and only wanted to party party party and fuck !!! After having one kid was bad enough (she couldn't even barely take care of it) she had 2 !!!! Thats really nasty.....

CrazyAL
09-10-2002, 08:10 AM
Yah know about that one it's pretty fucked up....the boyfriend she had the kids with should get some jail time too, he could of prevented those baby's from dying. I can't see how it was not prevented, or social service stepping in, or one of her friends reporting her cuz from the sound of it she was telling people she didn't want them.... and I don't know why she just didn't have abortions. Blows my mind she just left them too...she has serious fucking mental problems.

mech
09-10-2002, 08:15 AM
I think she was a naive Japananese girl who had no idea what she was doing...If that's what you think then you're the naive one :(
I don't know why she just didn't have abortions.Or give them up for adoption.

CrazyAL
09-10-2002, 08:18 AM
Yah would of been no big deal to given them up either

webgurl
09-10-2002, 08:23 AM
[quote=webgurl]I think she was a naive Japananese girl who had no idea what she was doing...If that's what you think then you're the naive one :(


Hmmm Mech, can you elaborate cause i don't get what you mean? But if you want me to explain what i meant i can.

CrazyAL
09-10-2002, 08:30 AM
I think he ment that she knew what she was doing, and was not naive at all just cold hearted..... not sure though if that's what he ment :? I am guessing

mech
09-10-2002, 08:41 AM
I think he ment that she knew what she was doing, and was not naive at all just cold hearted.That's exactly what I meant. You don't become surprised after you have unprotected sex and become pregnant. And you certainly don't leave 2 infant children alone for 10 days (while telling people who ask that they're being taken care of) and don't expect them to die.

webgurl
09-10-2002, 09:34 AM
Dearest my friends Crazy Al and Mech, :evil:

In regards to my previous statement about the girl being naive:

I meant that it was so foolish for her to have a second child, after the first one the father didn't really care for her or the kid and she goes and have another one within a short period of time, did she really think that dude (boyfriend) was going to luv her off all of a sudden with a second child, seems to me she is so crazed over pure boys boys boys obsessed with her sex/party/social life she lost in touch with reality, perhaps thinking well if she just pop out kids maybe the guy will mary her or we can work things out and not realize the whole thing was a mistake that he didn't want to start a family with her, he just wanted to screw her and thats all there is to it a simple booty call, just a hump and dump. You'd be surprised how many of those foreigner's specifically the girls from other countries especially from Japan coming into north american getting taken advantage of buy horny guys, making the chicks thinking they"love" or "care" for them when its just a simple easy target for the guys to get laid, cause they can easily be manipulated (this is not even just a guess or what i think its based on real experiences that i know of)...... And NO i don't think having an abortion or adoption was even a option for her, considering she is not legally entitled to be here and her visa ran out technically can't have a family here unless your a citizen. Infact she wasn't even suppose to be here herself!!! As with her being cold hearted i mean isn't that what the topic subject is??? i know that!!!


How can you make a remark about me being naive when you could have simply just asked me how is she naive (or in what way) if you didn't see how i could have observed her as being naive?

Scuzz
09-10-2002, 09:45 AM
:( :cry: :( :cry: :cry: :(

walter
09-10-2002, 09:57 AM
It's a sad world we live in when things like this happen.

Anyone can become a parent. There are no checks and balances in our present society.

This is not the case when you are dealing with really important issues like getting a library card or not sorting your recyclables, there are rules, regulations, inspectors and laws.

Is there a way that we (society) can do something to prevent this from happening? Aside from issuing baby licenses what can be done to ensure that only the Ďrightí (how Orwellian) people become parents?

I agree that there is something quite wrong with Fujii but rather than a prison term I think a nice stay in a loonie bin might have been more appropriate.

The one thing I notice in the article is that Fujii and the 2 kids lived in an apartment building. Were there no other people living in this apartment building? Did they not hear the 2 children crying? What about Canada Post Ė didnít the postie notice a buildup of mail in the mailbox? What about the landlord? Didnít anyone notice anything out of the ordinary?

I am not trying to cast blame on anyone but if I hear a baby crying or see an animal in distress or someone getting roughed up I get up off my butt and do something. Be it calling 911, turning my headlights onto a street fight or simply knocking on an apartment door, I do something.

Unless we are all just too consumed with our own lives to give a damn about someone else, we as society all have to shoulder some portion of the blame for the horrid deaths of these 2 kids.

We are society and if WE donít do something then who will?

mech
09-10-2002, 09:58 AM
webgurl, I did not mean my initial comment as a personal attack. I thought you were (inadvertently of course) sympathizing with her actions. And I still feel that your analysis (although still inadvertent) does appear as one Her Defense Attorney would give. She obviously killed her children with malice and everything she did before it is moot. So what if she was stupid in having a second child. So what if she was stupid enough to think that guy loved her. There are millions of people in her exact same shoes and they don't kill their children. But we all know that... so are we arguing or patting each other on the back?

mech
09-10-2002, 10:22 AM
Anyone can become a parent. There are no checks and balances in our present society.

This is not the case when you are dealing with really important issues like getting a library card or not sorting your recyclables, there are rules, regulations, inspectors and laws.

Is there a way that we (society) can do something to prevent this from happening? Aside from issuing baby licenses what can be done to ensure that only the Ďrightí (how Orwellian) people become parents?That's an awful analogy. There are rules for library cards and recyclables because they are inanimate. When you step into the realm of the Human body then you're stepping on the rights of a living breathing individual Human Being. You can't tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies. You can legislate drugs because drugs are foreign objects but everything that's needed to create life is in our own bodies. If we start legislating who can or can't have a child how do you stop them? If "unfit parents" get pregnant do you force them to have an abortion or adopt the child at birth? Is that a society you want to live in? Look at how the gov't fucks up the most simplest of tasks, do you really want them mucking around with Human lives?

There is no way to ensure "fit" people become Parents. That's just the way it is, you never know how someone will Parent until they actually have children of their own.
The one thing I notice in the article is that Fujii and the 2 kids lived in an apartment building. Were there no other people living in this apartment building? Did they not hear the 2 children crying? What about Canada Post Ė didnít the postie notice a buildup of mail in the mailbox? What about the landlord? Didnít anyone notice anything out of the ordinary?Actually the folks living in the other apartments did hear crying but it stopped after a few days so they paid no mind.
We are society and if WE donít do something then who will?Blame the media. The news portrays a picture that everyone who tries to help a fellow civilian ends up getting a baseball bat to the face so the average Joe figures it's best to mind their own business.

walter
09-10-2002, 10:57 AM
When you step into the realm of the Human body then you're stepping on the rights of a living breathing individual Human Being. You can't tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
Not quite so. Try getting a second or third trimester abortion in Canada. How about euthanasia for the terminally ill? The government has seen to that. There are more checks and balances involved in getting a puppy from the Humane Society than in becoming a parent.
Please donít misinterpret me, I am NOT proposing that the government issue baby licenses or that the government should become involved in our bedroom activities (oops - they already are), I was obviously being facetious.

Blame the media. The news portrays a picture that everyone who tries to help a fellow civilian ends up getting a baseball bat to the face so the average Joe figures it's best to mind their own business.
Iím a Toronto boy and have always been one to get involved. I have 2 bullet holes in me from a New York scuffle in 1968 to prove it, but I still get involved.

If you were the one getting beaten up by someone would you rather have me get involved or would you rather have me blame it on the media?

If you want me to get involved and come to your aid then YOU have to get involved when you see something going down.

mech
09-11-2002, 01:14 AM
Not quite so. Try getting a second or third trimester abortion in Canada. How about euthanasia for the terminally ill?Thatís another bad comparison. Third trimester abortions and euthanasia deal with the taking of a life, legislating Parents deals with who can create a life.
If you want me to get involved and come to your aid then YOU have to get involved when you see something going down.But if youíre going to get shot coming to my aid or die then what good is that? And who says I want you to get involved in the first place? When you jump into the middle of something to "help" someone are you doing it because you genuinely care about some stranger or because you fear the emotions you'll feel in a few days for not helping that person?

ALOTI
09-11-2002, 02:20 AM
Hey!

Umpire here!

We sound like a bunch of rookies here! The issue was the woman and her crime, and conviction...nothing more... except how terrible it was. I think it went a bit too far. Correct me if I am wrong. The woman was obviously too immature or irresponsible to even have children. Point made...no judgement It was sharing an article with us.

Let's move to a new topic. I think Webgurl was simply sharing a travesty here. I can say as a former part-time bartender in DC, I saw foreign ladies taken advantage of, I could not help. It comes down to prey and predator I guess, though I hate the view. But it happens even to native people of a country.

Nuff said, let's move on!

John

mech
09-11-2002, 02:33 AM
ALOTI, don't show up late and spoil our party, this is one of Foogie's patent pending topic drifts. We don't need an Umpire, we're conversing not arguing.

walter
09-11-2002, 08:14 AM
True, we are conversing rather than arguing but sometimes when two people that are as polarized as Mech and I are on this subject it becomes rather fruitless.

Mech has his opinions and I have mine and they happen to differ greatly.

I am proud to be in an environment that will allow two people to exchange ideas no matter how heated the exchange becomes as long as the exchange is paramount.

webgurl
09-11-2002, 08:25 AM
Don't Forget Mee Too !!

walter
09-11-2002, 08:29 AM
Don't Forget Mee Too !!

How could I forget the flaxen haired purple one of the crowd :lol:

webgurl
09-11-2002, 08:30 AM
Atleast Bottom Line is that we all agree that this chick is Sick and needs to be locked up.
Anyone disagrees with me please raise your hand.

mech
09-11-2002, 08:31 AM
Not to mention being able to examine a subject from two perspective opposites, Young vs. Old (not that you're old walter :) ) in this case... and we can't forget you webgurl, that's 2 Generations, 3 differing opinions... wait a minute! I thought this was a porn forum? Quick, someone post a pair of tits!

mech
09-11-2002, 08:35 AM
Anyone disagrees with me please raise your hand.I think all she needs is a good lay! She seems like one uptight biatch. :lol:

webgurl
09-11-2002, 08:39 AM
( o ) ( o )

webgurl
09-11-2002, 08:45 AM
Anyone disagrees with me please raise your hand.I think all she needs is a good lay! She seems like one uptight biatch. :lol:

Deadmonton people *sigh*

walter
09-11-2002, 08:49 AM
I think all she needs is a good lay!
Isn't that what got her into this mess in the first place?

Young vs. Old (not that you're old walter :) )
eh? you have to speak up a bit there sonny

Quick, someone post a pair of tits!
Tits... I heard that! http://asian.absolutefreehost.com/asia/AU150100b.jpg My favorite Asian tits

mech
09-11-2002, 08:50 AM
( o ) ( o )That's a sweet pair of tits webgurl, can you make me a picture of a Kleenex so I can wipe the spooge off my keyboard?

webgurl
09-11-2002, 09:05 AM
Nahhh .......
just use your tongue and lick it up


oh BTW walter, mech was talking about me , not that chick

CrazyAL
09-11-2002, 09:13 AM
Atleast Bottom Line is that we all agree that this chick is Sick and needs to be locked up.
Anyone disagrees with me please raise your hand.

I don't disagree....I think she could use a little mental help to boot.... going to be hard to live the rest of your life with something like that.

ALOTI
09-11-2002, 02:25 PM
Mech,

You were correct. I just got a bit worked up over the article. I'll stick to bringing a six-pack and enjoying the interchanges. :D

John

LostMind
09-13-2002, 03:22 AM
I remember reading that article.

Disgusting.

Very very strange messed up situation. Feel sorry for them kids.