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CrazyAL
06-23-2002, 04:32 AM
Okay not to many people posting right now but damnit I'll post some crap :)

Okay I recently just got into the paysite game, been doing tgps, and free sites for a long fuggin time. Now I am trying something a little new and some what lil more tricky 8) I been spending a lot of cash on content, feeds, pics, movie, etc......but I am seeing a demand for content that I can not buy rights too.... the "Asian scans" and Japanese "urban" porn..... I see a lot of pay sites using them, including some big name porn companies. What's your take on this? use them or not? cuz I am seriously thinking of slapping some up in my member area.

steve
06-23-2002, 05:24 AM
hmmm...I love scans ^_^

but...I can find many, many scans on the newsgroups...like 6,000 cutie mask mellon scans were just posted in the past few days on alt.binaries.bluebird.repost

mech
06-23-2002, 05:26 AM
Al, youíre reading my mind. I was actually going to start a topic on this exact question when I had some time to think it over... out of all the niches Asian is the worst offender for the use of stolen content. I'd be willing to bet that 98% of every gallery submitted to my TGP (and probably every Asian TGP) is using stolen content. In most niches I'd be more then willing to chastise anyone using stolen content but I always find myself being a hypocrite when it comes to Asian content. Why? Because 99% of licensable Asian content suck! It's always the same 3 Asian-American models with some white dude with a massive cock or doing a boring pose. Call me crazy but how many Asian men want to look at a white Mans dick fucking? Call me on it if I'm wrong but I think Asian men want to see real Asian women with Asian men! All the good Asian porn is from Asia and how in the world do you license foreign language magazines/video content? You can't so the only real choice is keep using crap or steal Japanese Urabon scans. But stealing is still stealing, but if your only choice is steal or have nothing... I guess for me the jury is still out :? .

I'm very interested in hearing what others have to say on this topic.

eru
06-23-2002, 07:32 AM
Japanese Magazines/AV Companies are more conservative than American companies. Basically, they rather not get involved with lawsuits and whatnot unless it directly hurts their revenue. The growth of online piracy in Japan is not as high as other places because most people do NOT own computers (they own kick-ass cell phones instead). Your Japanese Adult Magazine makes a lot more sales than a Playboy here.

CrazyAL
06-23-2002, 11:58 AM
Well I see nothing wrong with interracial Asian content, cuz it is a niche all on its own and some surfers like that..like you said Asian guys want to see Asian guys with girls, but white or black guys may want to see white or black guys and so on...but yah it does tend to always be the same girls. See the problem with lots of content providers in north America is they don't know what the Asian sites need, and they always shoot the same girls......it's like they all share the same girls and pass them around. Miko Lee, Jade Hsu, you know all those chicks.... I have nothing against these girls I dig them but lets see some new faces as well. It's not too bad for solo girl content you can find a good chunk of girls......but for hardcore Asian content it's so fugging hard to find...this is one of my biggest problems with my paysite is hardcore content and also movies. I don't care if its interracial or Asian on Asian just shoot more fuggin hardcore content! Another thing north American content lacks is Japanese women, even Japanese American girls..........you hardly ever see it. I get a lot of membership sales off my TGP and it's mostly targeted to Japanese niche and I do offer Japanese photos but nothing like scans or urban and this is the demand. This is why I think I may just collect scans now and put them in the member area. Asian Nudes is almost all Urban and Japanese scans and that's a Gamma site, don't know if it's like that now but it was last time I had access to it (about 2-3 years ago).....so I figure what the hell, if a sponsor like that does it why not?

CrazyAL
06-23-2002, 12:04 PM
And like eru says copyrights in Asia are not inforced like here in north america. And for urban porn........how can someone breaking the law go after you......it's illegal to produce uncensored porn in Japan and thats what Urban shooters are doing 8) producing illegal porn and putting it on the black market. I would like to hear from some Asian paysite owners on this, Smoker (AsianTeenz) if your around give us some feedback man.

eru
06-23-2002, 05:08 PM
I had access to Gamma's Asian Nudes a few months back and it was lots of scans. Max Cash also runs a site, JustAsianTeens.com which has heavy scans on the tour (I have never seen the member's area).

Hopefully Japan will get rid of that censoring law. It is so communistic it's ridiculous.

mech
06-23-2002, 09:18 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against interracial porn, it's just that's all the American hardcore Asian content I ever see.

I didn't know that Urabon was an underground black-market mag, that sort of changes things a little. Can someone claim a copyright on illegal material?

smoker337
06-23-2002, 09:19 PM
Just putting in my 2 cents in..

I have to say the use of Scans is widely used in all areas of the industry, tgps, paysites, freesites, picposts, etc...

This will never go away because no one is enforcing the use of these scans since they are virtually everywhere...

Purchasing licensed content is great as well but Ive seen some of the leased content or even content cds people are selling to the webmaster community and they pretty much suck! The quality of the photo sucks, the girls are ass-ugly, and the prices are ridiculous for the quality....

To really snag in your members and retain them is to have exclusive content. Shoot your own girls and post them up on your site. But this is tedious, expensive and expensive.... (did I say expensive twice?)

Ive shot for one of our white sites and shooting videos is pretty tough. but very do-able. And the retention is greatt but you constantly have to shoot diifferent girls and keep updating the site with new content. Just make sure you have a figured in your ROI...

Sorry for going off the tangent but like I said Scans, Urabon, etc will continually be used...but This will not make the user sign up on your site...Its the uniqueness of the layout and the quality of the content...

Peter (asianteenz.com)
Paying webmasters since 1997!

eru
06-24-2002, 06:43 AM
Urabon is illegal to be made. If you use it without permission, you're biting no one in the ass because if the owner comes out and claims it, he can get fined/ go to jail by the Japanese government.

CrazyAL
06-24-2002, 09:55 AM
Where? besides news groups can you get a huge amount of scans?........in cd lets say.

Also find with some scanners you get so much crap around the pic I find a bit annoying at times. I prefer the cleaner scans like Kenzo, dream scan or PJ or the ones with out any label.

06-24-2002, 02:49 PM
I don't mind the labels. I crop and compress each image by itself for maximum clarity / compression. I remember a long time ago you could buy CDs from scanners. Also go to #asianscans on DALnet. I think you can buy CD's there as well.

eru
06-24-2002, 02:51 PM
oops -- forgot to log in!

CrazyAL
06-24-2002, 10:28 PM
whoooo that's crazy.......dunno if I have the time or even patients to crop everything, but I guess it maybe what I need to do....or I could just leave it and just categorize by model and also by scanner..or just use the 1 or 2 scanners that have small clean tags (this is why I wanted to buy a few cds of a good scanner to get the ball rolling)......I just get really anal with picture content don't like messy shit. Compressing is a must though, they do tend to be a bit on the large size hehe :lol:

mech
06-24-2002, 11:42 PM
I don't think you should crop the pictures at all, give credit where credit is due. These guys take the time to scan these images at high quality so the very least you can do is leave their tags on them. You'd probably be livid if someone stole your work and passed it off as their own. Havenít you ever heard of honour among thieves :wink: ?

06-25-2002, 12:04 AM
The only reason I crop is that I find that text can get obtrusive when trying to "enjoy" the pics. It fucks with your imagination. Scanning is an addiction -- they won't stop till there are no more models. :lol:

eru
06-25-2002, 12:23 AM
God damnit, why doesnt't it keep me logged in?!?! Oh well.

mech
06-25-2002, 12:32 AM
Do any of you guys know of any good resource sites when I can learn more about scans, idols, AV, urabon, etc? I think I know less about this then most Asian niche webmasters :( and it's about time I get schooled.

CrazyAL
06-25-2002, 12:35 AM
reason 1 I put this thing up is cuz I see no sites offering us info. Maybe steve though has a link that explains about scans though, one for collectors.....steve? in english ofcourse.

CrazyAL
06-25-2002, 12:37 AM
maybe http://www.r-a-w.com/ but I don't see anything on that site about scans

eru
06-25-2002, 12:43 AM
History of Pure Japan, the best Scanner: http://www.visor.to/lahama/eng/main.html

mech
06-26-2002, 03:44 AM
Anyone have a list of large Newsgroups that cater to scans and/or Urabon or anything similar? I know of alt.binaires.pictures.bluebird but that's about it.

Scuzz
06-27-2002, 07:27 AM
Yo!
1st post.
Last time I checked the newsgroups, (a year or more ago) there were only the 2 bluebird ones that were any good. Whoever moderates them seemed to do a pretty good job. The others are99% spam. You'd spend the rest of your life setting up your filters. IMO IRC can be dangerous unless you're quite familiar with all its quirks.
There are a lot of sites out there that will explain about the urabon pics. The way I understand it, all the pics we see are scanned from the "underground" magazines. These are sold in Japan from the equivalent of newspaper boxes. You put in your $$$ and take a magazine.
Kuni, TCN, Royo, Baz, (purejapan), et al take their scans from the more mainstream magazines which only allow "hair nudes" You can see pubic hair, but nothing else. The guys I used to know of that sold CDs of scans all seem to have disappeared. I went looking about a month ago, and couldn't find any. So I started a site of my own. Not up and running yet, but here's a sample. http://www.titsee.com/cd/main.html
The true connoisseur of Asian Scans wants them to be exact duplicates of the original, right down to the CRC32. There is a really good free program out there for checking that sort of stuff.
This is getting longwinded.
Let me know if I can help.
Crazyal...wanna make a deal<G>

eru
06-27-2002, 07:34 AM
Wassup Scuzz!

I remember when I was in Japan the last two summers (both times on homestays) I saw the porn magazine vending machines. I never bought anything from them though. Hair Nudes are the best -- that's the only thing I use because it is the only thing I like -- I think my surfers like it too. Ya gotta leave somethings to the imagination you know?

Both bluebird newsgroups are still very good. However, I found more non-nude JPG's than nude ones now. On a side note, I recently started to surf the scanner sites and have found a lot of gems that make up for the absense of nudes on the newsgroups.


Talk to you later!

CrazyAL
06-27-2002, 08:16 AM
I just wanted a huge collection of Asian-mag scans at once to slap in the site..like I said before I always prefered bought licensed images and still do and never really got into the scan collecting thing...so I hit the scan groups onces in a while and collect whatever I think looks hot...if you can pump out cds with the newer type of mag-scans maybe I would be interested.... but I am okay for now.

Scuzz
06-27-2002, 08:39 AM
No sweat CrazyAl.
I quit collecting most of the new stuff a year or so ago because there was way too many bikini pics. I figured that the newer scanners had those $99 machines that their parents bought, and that they weren't old enough to look at tits.
From what I've seen at Kikos though, Cutie Mask Melon is doing well.
The only thing I've ever heard from a scanner was some note I saw posted somewhere on http://www.purejapan.com The scannist,Baz has made it into a paysite, and I don't think he appreciates his scans all over the net.

CrazyAL
06-27-2002, 09:01 AM
yah I did notice nudes are harder to come by with the newer stuff......it's a shame.

eru
06-27-2002, 12:29 PM
I may get access to Bazz' site. I am still debating whether or not it is worth it as I saw a few leeked scans of his new stuff on the net already. His membership fee is rather intense ($100 for three months). I don't want to end up joining and see only a few hundred pics (albeit the fact that he rocks and truelly is the #1 scanner).

Austin
06-30-2002, 09:58 PM
Here is a list of adult newsgroups:
http://www.eurus.dti.ne.jp/~ero/NEWS.html

steve
06-30-2002, 11:00 PM
scanners = guys with scanner who scan girlie magazines
idols = pretty japanese models
AV = adult video
urabon = illegal in japan underground hardcore mag scanned by scanner

hehe...pretty simple!!

steve
06-30-2002, 11:04 PM
JAV FAQ
http://www.rame.net/library/misc/wherejp.html

AV online store & info
http://www.jlist.com/
http://www.jmate.com/

for scanner info, I would suggest going to http://www.bonzaiville.com/wwwboard and asking there ;-)

steve
06-30-2002, 11:08 PM
http://www.bakithindi.com/acbars.comBodyPaintingContest20020215/Image024.jpg


hmmmm...but that is a tittie from the Philippines and not jp...sorry :roll: :roll: it is the thought that counts :wink:

steve
07-02-2002, 07:36 AM
bump ;-))

eru
07-02-2002, 07:42 AM
nice boobs

Austin
07-05-2002, 06:52 AM
Have not seen too many new scans lately. Whatsup wit dat?

eru
07-05-2002, 07:00 AM
There are tons of scans and the scanners are still active. I talk occassionally with the ppl on #asianscans on dalnet.

steve
07-05-2002, 07:35 AM
some very nice guy sent me this list of scanner boards (note, since these are public boards and I haven't checked them all, I take no responsibility for what you find on them)

http://hpcgi3.nifty.com/soscan/bbs.cgi
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~k-saka/img_get/bbs.cgi
http://hyper10.amuser-net.ne.jp/~auto/b26/usr/2833/brd1/bbs.cgi
http://www.paw.hi-ho.ne.jp/cgi-bin/user/fob-bbs/imgboard.cgi
http://www3.wind.ne.jp/amigo/index.html
http://enjoy.page.ne.jp/
http://hpcgi3.nifty.com/lipship/joyful/joyful.cgi
http://hpcgi2.nifty.com/malcom/imgboard1.cgi
http://muart.site.ne.jp/bbs/upb.cgi
http://www79.sakura.ne.jp/~mari/bbs/bbs.cgi
http://www.7press.com/maniaceye
http://www86.sakura.ne.jp/~senna-scan/si-joyful/si-joyful.cgi
http://bbs.1oku.com/bbs/bbs.phtml?id=taniscan

steve
07-05-2002, 07:39 AM
and, of course:

alt.binaries.pictures.bluebird
alt.binaries.pictures.bluebird.reposts

eru
07-06-2002, 03:37 AM
some very nice guy sent me this list of scanner boards (note, since these are public boards and I haven't checked them all, I take no responsibility for what you find on them)

http://hpcgi3.nifty.com/soscan/bbs.cgi
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~k-saka/img_get/bbs.cgi
http://hyper10.amuser-net.ne.jp/~auto/b26/usr/2833/brd1/bbs.cgi
http://www.paw.hi-ho.ne.jp/cgi-bin/user/fob-bbs/imgboard.cgi
http://www3.wind.ne.jp/amigo/index.html
http://enjoy.page.ne.jp/
http://hpcgi3.nifty.com/lipship/joyful/joyful.cgi
http://hpcgi2.nifty.com/malcom/imgboard1.cgi
http://muart.site.ne.jp/bbs/upb.cgi
http://www79.sakura.ne.jp/~mari/bbs/bbs.cgi
http://www.7press.com/maniaceye
http://www86.sakura.ne.jp/~senna-scan/si-joyful/si-joyful.cgi
http://bbs.1oku.com/bbs/bbs.phtml?id=taniscan

Pretty nice BBS' -- thanks for the URL man!

steve
07-07-2002, 03:27 AM
here's another for you, eru :lol:

http://www.geocities.com/mokasin3/main/album1.htm

to tell you the truth, all the best sites I find at http://www.bonzaiville.com/wwwboard

ALOTI
08-10-2002, 08:22 PM
I noticed the discussion on Urabon and AV. Yes, Urabon is illegal in Japan. (I have a brief history of the topic on my site in the Urabon area, be nice, I am still a rookie at this.). Most of the "source sites" are all Japanese Language sites and thus filled with a ton of exits, traps and etc.

Currently I am working an English "Urabon Library" on my site. It is still pretty rough, but I am getting there There are virtually 1000's of books out there, and not all from the same source. Some come out of Okinawa -- others Taiwan. But Urabon (Ura-hon, Back-book, Beaver-book, etc.) all fall into the same category, sexually explicit, and illegal in Japan. I get a ton of mail on the subject.

Finding Urabon data is a pain in the ass. A few months back, I dug up a few "Contacts" on the printed versions of the magazines. I have been busting ass to find them for scans and possibly sale. The problem is being illegal, no one wants to talk. When they do, a few days later, contacts mysteriously disappear. :?: I do have some reliable source findings on why. Anybody got feedback here?

On the AV, I am guilty as most of using some scans in posts. But now I am sticking to scans from the popular mags my sponsor J-List provides for me. This keeps me legal as an agent. The only problem with this, is many of the mags, Bejean, Urecco, Gokuh and others still use underage in their publications. The push the limits on exposure to the max. I personally will not scan and post any under 18...period.

That's my 2 cents. If anyone out there has any Urabon info they want to share, let me know. I would be glad to work with you.

steve v2
08-11-2002, 12:01 AM
ahhh....I love this thread (or...I love those tits above)... 8)

...now I am sticking to scans from the popular mags my sponsor J-List provides for me. This keeps me legal as an agent.

How does JList get rights on these magazines? And can they pass the rights along to you?

JList buys returns from distributors and sells them. So they are maybe an agent for the distributor, but surely don't deal with the magazine companies themself....I would imagine they just scan pics to promote their mags same as everyone else.

The only problem with this, is many of the mags, Bejean, Urecco, Gokuh and others still use underage in their publications. The push the limits on exposure to the max. I personally will not scan and post any under 18...period.

I don't think mags like Urecco or Gokuh use underaged models...their chicks mostly look like 21 year old hotties, not less...maybe something like Cream which is non-nude. I like Urecco and Gokuh, but Cream is pushing the school girl fetish too much for my tastes.

eru
08-11-2002, 01:11 AM
I don't have any problems with Cream. I'm 18 and fantatise about schoolgirls 2-3 younger. Even though the magazine is appealign to an adult market, it still remains in the laws by not being sexual and besides; the girls want the money and still remain "pure"

ALOTI
08-11-2002, 01:41 AM
Steve, the rights come from an advertising agreement with J-List. They purchase and resell the producer's products, Simply business. I advertise, they sell. Pretty simple, we all make out. I think that is business :?:

As far as the underage, yes they run 14-16 year old models. Do I need to reference issues? Though not nude or sexually involved, I choose to bypass that imagery on my site.

Damn didn't mean to start a controversy here!

John

CrazyAL
08-11-2002, 02:04 AM
Yah no doubt..........stay away from the underage shit nude or not.........it's just pure ass lame.

I never was big on the Japanese schoolgirl thing or those sailor suite things. If a model is in a schoolgirl uniform I prefer them to look a lil more sexy/trampy/slutty and older looking, and by older I mean 20s :lol: not all innocent/pure looking..........but that's me

ALOTI
08-11-2002, 02:58 AM
Thanx CrazyAL, I appreciate it. I think you know where I am coming from.

steve v2
08-11-2002, 03:51 AM
No controversy John...good posts :wink:

About the content, I was just a little surprised JList was able to license digital japanese mag content...but I am thinking Urecco, etc...maybe we are talking different things.

I agree with you and Al...I'm all for "sexy/trampy/slutty and older looking" 21+ schoolgirls...silly fantasy. Hell...I love OL's and nurses in bondage too :lol:

JACK
08-12-2002, 06:26 PM
Does any one on this board speak Japanese?

Jlist Does not buy or license digital Japanese photos from magazines (magazines work like websites then donít own there own photos)

Do you think its safe to use scans with our having the licenses?
http://www.tastyasian.com/store/

I would love to add the RACE QUEEN COLLECTION and many more to my site but Iíve never found a place that sells the licenses for them.

What do you guys think?

steve v2
08-13-2002, 06:59 AM
JACK.........we have been talking about this for years and years and years............of course no one cares since Asian scans are overseas and you live in Canada.

Legit stuff = license

Period!

hehe....plus........two forms of ID

that's that...do what you want, but that's that :roll:

steve v2
08-13-2002, 07:01 AM
Jlist Does not buy or license digital Japanese photos from magazines (magazines work like websites then don’t own there own photos

I totally agree....JList is selling mags, but has NO license to digital images...that was what I was trying to say :wink:

ALOTI
08-13-2002, 07:27 AM
I really do not want to hastle over this, but promoting sales to provide distribution of a product is within the legal realm of advertising. I gain no direct profit from the posting of the galleries. In the end, the Mag gets the profit. That is simple promotion.

John, whew!

steve v2
08-13-2002, 07:52 AM
8)

steve v2
08-13-2002, 08:14 AM
urabon? pgf? hehe...grrrrrrrrr...I'm sorry...forget the whole thing ;-)

steve v2
08-13-2002, 08:18 AM
Hey Aloti,

Visit:

http://disc.server.com/Indices/169274.html

They know a lot about urabon there :lol:

JACK
08-13-2002, 08:45 AM
Steve if some one use my photos that I took in Asian in any ways I can do some thing about NP but I have hire legal team who live in Asian to do it for me since I live in Canada. Hence the need for a license. What is stopping some one living in Asian to do the same?

If the photographer who sold the photos to the Magazine want to do some thing then Jlist would be in hot water but in most cases photographers could care less I know I donít LOL

HUM maybe Iíll have to find some Hot Japanese woman take her photos then sell the photos to them Magazines then when Jlist sell them take his site :-)

ALOTI
08-14-2002, 05:18 AM
I looked it over, not to bad on info. Currently I have access to a friends (Jan) area. He probably has the largest English database of Urabon going. Definitely a great asset and a good friend. That resource and a few others are keeping me quite busy. Sorting the 1000's of books as to release and model when possible is definitely a task. :shock:

Jack has also given me some tips and links. He has quite a background and sources on the subject. Definitely a help.

Thanx again
John

steve v2
08-14-2002, 08:10 AM
Hi ALOTI,

damn...between Jan and Jack and Sticky...you got all the bases covered if you're doing anything with Urabon.

good luck with your project :thumb:

javmodel
08-16-2002, 10:50 PM
I looked it over, not to bad on info. Currently I have access to a friends (Jan) area. He probably has the largest English database of Urabon going. Definitely a great asset and a good friend. That resource and a few others are keeping me quite busy. Sorting the 1000's of books as to release and model when possible is definitely a task. :shock:

Jack has also given me some tips and links. He has quite a background and sources on the subject. Definitely a help.

Thanx again
John

I know some free japanese sites that have over 1000 of downloadable 52p urban books. It is useless to me now since all my paysites are movie site. If anyone want the url, just drop me an email or pm me.
I won't disclose the url here since I know some non-webmaster view this board.

eru
08-16-2002, 11:57 PM
send me the URL? icq 292986 or eru at zenra.net

I looked it over, not to bad on info. Currently I have access to a friends (Jan) area. He probably has the largest English database of Urabon going. Definitely a great asset and a good friend. That resource and a few others are keeping me quite busy. Sorting the 1000's of books as to release and model when possible is definitely a task. :shock:

Jack has also given me some tips and links. He has quite a background and sources on the subject. Definitely a help.

Thanx again
John

I know some free japanese sites that have over 1000 of downloadable 52p urban books. It is useless to me now since all my paysites are movie site. If anyone want the url, just drop me an email or pm me.
I won't disclose the url here since I know some non-webmaster view this board.

swatx
08-25-2002, 10:40 AM
eru.. who is your host provider? i'm wondering because your site zenra.net offers soo much gigs of space

eru
08-25-2002, 07:05 PM
I am hosted by likewhoa -- my pay-sites are hosted indirectly by choopa.net

Scuzz
01-17-2006, 07:22 PM
Bump just to piss C***U off :wink:

ALOTI
01-17-2006, 08:42 PM
Just adding a link to stir some more, Hehehe :twisted: Love these old posts!

Urabon Navigator (http://www.asian-eros.com/navigator/index_f.htm)

ALOTI

CrazyAL
01-18-2006, 12:36 AM
Oh this one is a classic :D

fuzzbuzz
01-19-2006, 05:20 PM
what about JAV movies? they in the same area as scans?

japanese companys wont come after you, look at anime, im a huge fan and the japanese dont come after you or care that much to do something. its the american companys that licsence the rights that will do something.

ALOTI
01-19-2006, 05:40 PM
what about JAV movies? they in the same area as scans?

japanese companys wont come after you, look at anime, im a huge fan and the japanese dont come after you or care that much to do something. its the american companys that licsence the rights that will do something.

Don't count on that 99BB is Japanese vested and will come after you. Besides it it a 2257 issue.

ALOTI

fuzzbuzz
01-19-2006, 06:34 PM
fuck 2257, i aint in the US so..

Methodcash Rick
01-19-2006, 07:22 PM
fuck 2257, i aint in the US so..

I guess you don't use U.S. sponsors, or get paid by a US billing company, or well, nevermind, you're not in the US, it couldn't have any effect on you...

fuzzbuzz
01-26-2006, 02:14 AM
if i was using japanese content i would probally have my own program, also hosting, i can get cheap hosting in eu. but in all reality will they do shit?